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| KSpider | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 39 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 13:18 Post title : Doesnt go into first on rare occassion | | | Anyone have the issue when at a stop light for a little while and traffic starts up and you hit shifter to go into first you hear it change but it stays in neutral and you have to hit again harder then neutral light goes out and it goes into gear. I occasionally have that happen. Clutch is adjusted per specs at the lever only 1700 plus miles on bike and bike ridden gently no hot dogging. Didnt know if thats a normarl rare quirk with the Thunderbird also noisey shift compared to my other bikes.
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| Rachael7 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | Greenfield, MA, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 13:55 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: KSpider) | | | That will sometimes happen if you're trying to shift down while sitting still. It is generally good practice to downshift before you stop. When I'm sitting in neutral at a long stop, I've not had any problem popping it down into first. You might want to check your clutch cable adjustment to make sure it is releasing fully.
| 2012 Thunderbird 1600, Short TORS, Triumph performance filter, TORs tune, Longhaul solo seat, Highway Hawk tubular solo rack, Dart flyscreen, engine bars, highway pegs, Clearwater Darla driving lights, custom flash-to-pass switch, Hagon 2810 rears, Thunderbike fork caps, Custom rear sets
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| fishy | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 15/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 440 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 13:55 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: KSpider) | | | What's the oil level? What type are you running? JASO-MA rated is all that matters and the proper level. (no oil wars allowed)
How does the shift lever height seem, really high or are you having issues putting your foot under it? Check the bar between the lever and the transmission.
For me it's been the smoothest shifting bike I have owned. Never any issues when sitting still or moving. I generally leave the bike in first gear so I can make a fast get away if some moron is bearing down on me when stopped.
Could be just the break in. Hope it sorts it self out.
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| | Post edited by fishy on 11 Jul 2013 - 13:56 |
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| KSpider | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 39 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 14:16 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: fishy) | | | Thanks all. Checked the adjustment at the lever and its within the mm specs in the manual. Used top of the line mc syn oil. Generally I put in neutral at long lights to avoid overheating the clutch plates. No issues putting foot under shifter. By checking bar between lever and trans what are you refering too? The lever down at the trans is tight and not loose. Hoping as you mentioned its just break in.
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 14:35 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: KSpider) | | | people seem to notice considerable differences in shifting ease/smoothness with some oils over others. Not sure what you're running but trying something else may be worth a try. 1700 miles is very low and the engine at least seems to really open up around 4000 miles. So it would be the same for the tranny and it may work itself out. I would just watch it and if it doesn't improve in a couple 1000 miles take it in. You'll be in warranty for a good while so you can take your time and see if it does work itself out as it breaks in. Or change to another oil now and see. I feel it's always good to change the oil very often anyways on a brand new engine the keep the oil free of metallic break in debris. Might just be a good excuse to try something else. What oil are you running?
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
| | Post edited by daz on 11 Jul 2013 - 14:36 |
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| KSpider | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 39 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 14:43 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: daz) | | | Running full syn. Dont know the brand. Its the best oil my dealer uses on BMW's like 15 a quart I believe. I will have to ask them when I bring it in again. He just recently got his Triumph franchise in Virginia and had been selling preowned Triumphs and BMW's for a while. Now he is an official Triumph dealer. As you suggest Im going to keep my eye on it and if it doesnt improve Im going to bring it in. I had the 500mile service, I think if Im not mistaken the next service is 5000 miles. When I bring it for that I was going to have them check the decompression failure issue also. Mine turns over fine but wanted to have them check if it looks like that will fail while its still under warranty. Hopefully the shifting issue will work itself out.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 15:05 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: KSpider) | | | Don't know what year your bike is, but the problem with the decompression weights breaking was only on the early models andif you have 1700 mile i imagine yours is a '12 or '13. And If you have a '12 or '13 you have no worries, as they beefed them up and i have not heard of a single incident since. It was rare to begin with. A '11 is probably even equipped with the beefier decompressor parts. It's a major job just getting the cam cover off, so i doubt your dealer is going to be willing to pull it just to look w/o a serious charge. It wouldn't be a required service or under warranty just to check them.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| KSpider | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 39 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 17:32 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: daz) | | | Mine is a 2011 model made late 2010. The reason I asked that side question was one time recently when I started it I blipped the throttle a little once right when I started it because it was about to stop. Sometimes takes two tries and even three to stay running. Well when I did that I heard this gosh awful metal sound like someone wacked the engine with a hammer. Hasnt done it since. It doesnt struggle to turn over so I assume its pressure is getting relief. Havent heard any metal bouncing around when I run it either.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jul 2013 - 19:20 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: KSpider) | | | I have a little story 4 u that may or may not give you some insight into the decomp thing. Mine always made a klacking racket like everyone else's when 1st started. Every strat without fail. Lasted maybe 2-3 seconds till the engine was turning at full idle speed and then the weights finally have a chance to overpower the springs and stay expanded. One day at maybe 10,000 miles i started it and it didn't make that noise. It never did again since. At 12k i got the 1700 kit installed and its still hasn't done it since. It did make some gawd awful loud noise when i came to a sop right after picking it up from having the kit installed, but it never did that again and i don't think it was the decomp.
the only thing i can figure is that after a time the springs weaken to the point that it takes far less centrifugal force for them to fully expand and they do so immediately upon the engine starting, hence no klacking. But that wouldn't speak yo no more noise after the kit went in with new cams. The new cams however supposedly had the decomp fix on them. maybe they also changed the spring strength. Who knows. When it first stopped i thought maybe they broke, but it would be unlikely both sides would break at once so i figured that can't be it. Got my old 1600 cams from the mechanic and sure enough they were fine.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Jul 2013 - 15:37 Post title : Re: Doesnt go into first on rare occassion (Re: KSpider) | | |
KSpider wrote:
Anyone have the issue when at a stop light for a little while and traffic starts up and you hit shifter to go into first you hear it change but it stays in neutral and you have to hit again harder then neutral light goes out and it goes into gear. I occasionally have that happen. Clutch is adjusted per specs at the lever only 1700 plus miles on bike and bike ridden gently no hot dogging. Didnt know if thats a normarl rare quirk with the Thunderbird also noisey shift compared to my other bikes. |
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Pretty simple. 1st is not a beveled gear. This bike wants to be moving to shift down to first.
I just got back from 700 miles in the mountains and I finally got it automatic, where I am in first before I stop.
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